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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Around 10th grade, I started getting a lot of trouble. I was doing a lot of stuff that I shouldn't be doing. And then it was around maybe 19, I kind of. One day I just kind of had enough and I called my dad. I was like, all right, man, I'm done. I don't want to do this stuff no more. I was living in hotels, I was hopping around all over the place. He was like, all right, come see me. We're going to get it figured out. He was like, hey, you can come work for me. Putting stone on the pools.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: You held the shovel on the ground. You know, you work your way up.
[00:00:24] Speaker A: I got my girlfriend at the time pregnant, was talking to my dad. I was like, hey, man, you know, I gotta do something. You know, I. I'm working like 70 hours a week, making like 400 bucks. I probably didn't get ready soon enough, cuz I left the hospital the next morning at like 5am to go interview at one of our competitors, another utility contractor. Then a few years later, we did this massive parking garage. And that's where I met Garrett. And I think not too long after that's when we came to.
[00:01:03] Speaker B: Too big to fail. Parker Thane. You know, you hear the name Parker and everybody knows who you are. You know, here at Moss, everybody knows who you are. You know, you've. You've held the shovel in your hand, and I think that's why a lot of people can't discredit you.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: Right?
[00:01:16] Speaker B: You held the shovel on the ground. You know, you work your way up, you know, day in, day out, you know, put the work in, receive calls, give calls, you know, no matter what time it is. And I think that says a lot about you. Right, let's go back to, you know, you know, where area are you from?
[00:01:35] Speaker A: So I grew up in Louisville, Texas.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Louisville.
[00:01:41] Speaker A: And you know, I went to Louisville, all the schools, and then I went to Lake Dallas High School for a little bit. And then, you know, I graduated with the, with the homeschool degree because, you know, degrees of degree, you know, I was getting in trouble and, and stuff like that in high school. And so I kind of just told my aunt one day, I'm like, hey, we gotta figure out how to get me a high school diploma. So. Yeah, so she kind of came up with that idea and that's what we did.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah. So did you hop in right into, into construction? Because I know your dad has a business, right? Like a pool business?
[00:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: So you hopped in there like. Or were you working with him? You know, during the summers, while you were.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: While I was in school, I worked with him every once in a while, you know. And in high school, around 10th grade, I started getting a lot of trouble. I was doing a lot of stuff that I shouldn't be doing, so I'd go work with him every once in a while. And then, and then it was around, I think I was maybe 19, I kind of. One day I just kind of had enough and I called my dad. I was like, all right, man, I'm done. I don't want to do any stuff no more.
You know, I was living in hotels, I was hopping around all over the place.
And I finally just called him and he was like, all right, cool, I'll come. Come come see me and we'll get it. We're gonna get it figured out.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: You ready?
[00:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm like, cool. You know, and. And luckily he always told me, hey, man, whenever you're ready, you just call me and we're gonna figure this out. So I was like, all right. So I finally. That some. I don't know what switched in. Me, I just finally said, okay, cool. And so, so I gave him a call and he was like, hey, you can. You can come work for me.
Working on a stone crew. You know, putting, putting stone on the pools. Yeah, you know, putting all the coping, building the waterfalls.
Heavy work. Right.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: There was labor intensive work.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: Labor intensive work.
You got paid like a subcontractor, so you got paid by the job. And these aren't fast jobs, right? Like these it. You got like three guys and you're putting all this coping and waterfalls and outdoor kitchens, and there's no sky tracks or forklifts to take this material off the truck. You know, you're taking off the truck.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: With everything by hand.
[00:03:57] Speaker A: Everything by hand.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: And.
And so, so that's kind of where I got started.
And I would. Sometimes. My stepdad owned a, like a lawnmowering business, landscape business, and I would go work with him sometimes during summers or weekends and go cut yards and stuff like that.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: So you immediately got introduced into like the outdoor, like, work lifestyle, right? Oh, yeah, or outdoor work.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: I mean, that's what my. That's what my dad did growing up. My.
My whole life.
I remember when I was really young, my dad, he would, he would. He owned a roofing, little roofing company where it was just him. It was him and his crew, right? They go roof houses. He would. So from like 7 o' clock to 4 o', clock, 4:30, he'd roof houses and then he leave going roof houses, and then he would go to. It was Ogden, and he was the fuel manager for the night shift. So he'd go do that for eight hours, and then he'd wake back up and go roof houses from 7 to 4:30. And, man, I think he did that for like, 10 years.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: That guy never slept.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: He never slept. He just worked his ass off.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: Work, work, work.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: And.
And I was. This is. This is what I was taught like my grandpa. That's what he did. He just worked. They worked their asses off. They provided and they did what they need to do for their family.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: How long did you work for your dad then?
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Man, I worked for him for, like, I think it was like a year and a half maybe.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: Before you ventured off?
[00:05:23] Speaker A: Before I ventured off, you know, after, like, six months after, I kind of, you know, I was ready to just figure it out.
I got my.
I got my girlfriend at the time pregnant. And so I was getting closer to having my. My first daughter. And I. I was talking to my dad. I was like, hey, man, you know, we got to do something. I'm not making, like, any money, right? And I'm like, you know, I. I'm working like 70 hours a week making, like 400 bucks, you know, and, you know, I guess I just talk to him like, hey, you know, like, if we can do something where I guess make. Make by, you know, get paid by the hour or something, right? Like, I'm not asking to be a superintendent or none of that stuff, right? You know, whatever. Whatever I can do to try to make more money and just keep learning. I get that. I'm not, like, ready for. To do that yet. And he's like, well, I don't. I don't really have anything right now. So I'm like, all right, well, I'm gonna start looking, dude, because, like, I can't do. I can't. Yeah, I can't do this. And I'm gonna have a baby, and I got my girlfriend.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: You wanted to get prepared for it, you know?
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I needed to get ready. So I probably didn't get ready soon enough because I. I left the hospital the next morning at like, 5am From.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: From your wife having the baby.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: From having the baby to go to go interview at one of.
At one of our competitors, another utility contractor. And they're so. They. So I get there, like, 5, 5:30, and I'm talking to them, and they're like, hey. They're like, yeah, well, you can come aboard. And I'm like, okay, cool. I Was like, give me a week. I'm gonna stay home a week. This is my first kid. And then I'll be ready to work. And they're like. And like, you can work as many hours you want.
And I'm like, cool, I need it.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: And so you started off there as a laborer?
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Started there off as a labor hand.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Was a six man crew? Seven man crew.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Yes. I was probably. They ran a little bit smaller crew. So I, we might have like five guys, four guys.
And I learned a lot there.
I think after three or four months, those guys were like, hey, we need you to hop up, hop in the. Hop in a truck. And you and this other guy, y' all go start like punching stuff out.
I had, I had a guy I was pretty fortunate because this guy who hired, that they put me to work with, he really liked me.
He actually owns a utility company now. And he kind of took me under his wing and like, kind of helped me, you know, I was new guy and, you know, you know, everybody likes to mess with the new guy. I was young, I. I feel that, yeah, some other things we won't talk about.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: I couldn't speak any Spanish, you know. Well, I spoke a little bit of Spanish. Yeah. Spoke a little bit of Spanish.
So. So the, you know, the guy kind of takes me under his wing and I go start punching these jobs out and like, I'm learning. And there's this, this guy named. I still remember this guy named George. He couldn't.
He didn't know how to really speak English. And. And I could speak a little bit of Spanish, right? But me and this dude figured out. We just figured it out, right? We figured out how to talk to each other and he, he would crack me up, right? I was. We'd be working, working our asses off and he, he'd yell at me to get stuff, right? And then as soon as I get it, he, he. He put it in my face and he yelled, ratcha, ratcha away. And I'd be like, okay, got it. I know what it is now. Yeah, I got it now, right? And I'd come back with all these tools that I thought we would need, right? And he'd grab the one that we need and he, he'd throw it in my face, right? And yell at me what the name of it was, okay. You know, sometimes.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: Well, at least what he thought it. What it was called, right?
[00:09:09] Speaker A: Right. At least what he thought it was called, right? And. And it just cracked me up. Now I just thinking about it right at the Time I get a little irritated because, you know, it'd be hot and you know how it is trying.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: To get the work done.
Was that a punch crew then? Essentially, so.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Essentially it was a punch crew.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: It was a punch crew that you're. That.
So. So you read on a crew as a laborer doing, you know, pipe work, and then you got pushed to a punch crew?
[00:09:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: Okay. How long were you there for?
[00:09:40] Speaker A: 20. 2012. To. To when we started here. So it was October.
I got hired there October 16th, which is my. Oh, no. October 17th. Sorry. The day after my. My oldest was.
Was born.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: And I left there, and I want to say it was September 2026.
[00:10:00] Speaker B: So you transitioned from. From labor to punch crew. Did you become a foreman after that?
[00:10:08] Speaker A: Like, for a mainlander? I think. I think it was, like.
It was like, maybe another six or eight months after that.
That guy.
That guy left and he went to another company. He tried to take me with him. I was like, man, I'm gonna stay here.
And when that guy left, they. I took over the crew that. He took his brother with him. So then I. Then I became a former.
It's funny, my first job was at qts.
What was it really with. With Holder.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: Oh, man, that's interesting. That's interesting.
You know, and that's. I'm assuming that's where you first met Garrett as well, right?
[00:10:55] Speaker A: I was. So. So that guy quit, and they promoted Case to go be a superintendent there, and then they promoted me to go be that foreman. So that's how me and Case met.
And then.
Then a few years later, I. We did this.
We did this massive parking garage underneath this dude's in front of this dude's house in Highland Park.
And that's where I met Garrett. He came out to that job when he was a project manager.
I met him.
I talked to him there for a little bit, and I met him, like, one or two times after that.
And I think not too long after that's when we all left and came to Moss.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: Started here.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Started your journey here. So. But you. So you started here, though, as a foreman, right?
[00:11:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: What was one of your first projects here?
[00:11:43] Speaker A: It was like a fire line. And I can't even remember. I don't remember what the job was called, but it was like. It was. It was. Oh, it was for a company called Act.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: Act?
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: Fire line.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: It was like 100ft. Me and my brother, just two of us, we had one guy show up and he quit the same day.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: It was too Calendar.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it Was too hot.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: We were handing in around a bunch of communication lines.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: And y' all were the. The first crew here.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: And then after that, how long did it take before y' all started growing, like, more crews or.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: You know, it's pretty quick.
I want to say within, like, a month, a month and a half.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: Started adding more crews.
[00:12:27] Speaker A: I started adding more crews.
[00:12:28] Speaker B: And you were still foreman?
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah.
I don't think I became a superintendent maybe like eight months, a year after being here. Yeah.
Yeah. They hired. They. They moved another guy.
They promoted another guy before me to be a superintendent.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: And then that's. Whenever you were still out in the field, the informant stuff, other crews.
What was Garrett like, you know, starting off here? You know, trying to get. Get you to buy in to come here and work for him, essentially.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Like, when they asked me to come.
[00:13:07] Speaker B: What was your thoughts? Initial thoughts, like, you know, is this gonna work?
[00:13:09] Speaker A: You know, I was just like, let's do it.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Let's do it.
[00:13:12] Speaker A: Something different. I was like, I mean, it was a. It was a good opportunity. I mean, you know, the other company was already kind of starting to talk to me about maybe moving up and being a superintendent and stuff like that.
But those guys came to me, and, you know, they're like, hey, we're going to start this deal. And they gave me a good offer, and it sounded like a good deal to, like, go help. Help. Help these guys build a company. And it wasn't. I was like, cool, let's do it.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: You just kind of went with your gut feeling.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: I just went with it. And I was like, I mean, what's the worst. What's the worst that's going to happen? Right.
Whether you're going to figure it out or not.
[00:13:53] Speaker B: Go knock on the door again.
Right.
So, superintendent, how long were you superintendent for here?
[00:14:04] Speaker A: Maybe two and a half years.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: Was a superintendent?
[00:14:07] Speaker A: Yeah, because I. I became the General Superintendent of December 2019.
So it might have been two years. I was a superintendent.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: Do you remember how many crews we had at that time?
When you were a superintendent or you. How many crews did you have under you.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Man? I think at one point I had, like, had, like, seven crews.
Punch crew, running concrete crews.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: So just a mixture of. Of all those crews trying to knock projects out.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Clean projects.
Had to fix it.
Had to go fix a lot of projects. Yeah.
But luckily I was. I was always lucky because I had good punch crews. I had Reuben and Christian.
So those were.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: So that's where you first met Reuben then, too?
[00:14:57] Speaker A: See, I met. I Met Reuben here. He was working for Roy, and then we needed a punch crew, and I'm pretty sure I promoted him up to a punch crew.
And then I worked with. I think. I mean, I don't know how long I must have had him under me as a punch crew for, I don't know, eight months, A year.
[00:15:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: And then we needed another punch crew, and that's when I got pinch of Christian hookers. And I. I had. I think then I. So I took. I took Christian underneath me, and I let. I think maybe Julio take Reuben. Reuben so I could get Christian trained up and get him rolling.
[00:15:46] Speaker B: So I was just, you know, growing and growing and growing and just getting projects here, getting more crews, trying to promote within. I mean, that's a big deal here, right? Is trying to promote within.
Was there any point where you felt like, you know, like, you know, man, this isn't going, like, where I wanted to, or you just kind of wanted to keep.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was. It was tough because you, you know, like, nobody really knew what they were doing. Right? Like.
Like, Casey and. Casey and Gary didn't really know what they were doing. Right. They came from being superintendents and a project manager. Right. Like, it's a completely different ball game when you're on your own business. Right? Like, I mean, you know, you gotta know about the web. You gotta know about financials. You gotta, you know, they were still learning how to run projects and really learn utilities before they started this. Right. I mean, they still had a lot to learn. And, you know, we got ourselves in a big bind.
I mean, 2018, 2019. Like, dude, those were hard years.
[00:16:51] Speaker B: Those tough years.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: Those were hard years. Those were years where, like, you were worried that how you're. If you're gonna have a job, like, and on top of a growing crazy. I mean, putting new crews on and just trying to maintain everything.
Yeah, it was real hectic. And, you know, there was always a big fear of, like, man, is this place gonna actually make it?
[00:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, but that kind of goes back to your dedication, right? As despite all that happening, you still stuck with Moss, right? Still stuck with it.
You know, a couple years later, now, you know, you're the, you know, CEO, right? You're. You're the superintendent General, superintendent, VP of operations and now the CEO, right? So that just shows your hard work and dedication, you know?
[00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: And it comes with, you know, all those learning curves, right. Of being a newer company, a utility contractor.
You know, you've built a lot of relationships, you know, throughout those years, I think a big one is probably like Pogue, right? Was one of your first, first poke projects.
[00:18:02] Speaker A: Well, I just want to say during the hard times, I mean, I. I stayed and all that, but there was definitely times where I was like, man, I'm gonna. I have to get out of here. You know, like, there was times where there was like, the temptation would creep in and, you know, like, I don't have to. I don't have to find somewhere this place isn't. Isn't.
Isn't working out or they're making bad decisions. I didn't like the decisions they were making. And so I don't want it to look like it was all. It was just me, like, hard work. I mean, there was definitely times to where I was.
I was close to leaving because I was just like, man, this is the decision that were being made. Were, you know, pretty upsetting and stuff that I was seeing. And so, see, I just want to. I want to bring that to a little bit of light that I was close and like, I. I'm super grateful I didn't. Right. Like, every. To me, everything, everything, like, you know, God has a plan for us and, you know, like, getting passed up on some promotions and stuff like that, you know, like, I. I look at it as.
That was timing, right.
Maybe at that time it wasn't my time. Right. I think. I think the times that I got promoted were the right times, and it gave me a little bit more time to grow and get older and get more mature and learn more. And so, you know, I'm. So, like, when I look back at it, I'm not mad. I'm not really mad about it. Right. Maybe a little frustrated at the time that they happen, sure. But.
But they happen how they should have happened. Right. And now we're here.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: Well, the plan. Right. And that's just kind of how it ended up working its way out.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: You know, that's. That's. I think it's interesting to.
For you to shed light on that because, you know, nobody really wants to talk about that. You know, I wanted to leave at some point. Right. But I mean, life's not perfect.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: It's not perfect.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: Life's not perfect.
You know, temptation always tends, you know, to creep in about, you know, make sure you're going to be able to put food on the table, you know, and what's best for your career. Right?
[00:19:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:55] Speaker B: You know, me personally, I look long term, you know, I want to be somewhere where I want to be here for a long time. You know, I don't want to bounce from company to company, you know, so I. I get that. That's. It's good that you say that.
But bouncing back to, you know, a little bit about, you know, good relationships, building relationships, you know, pose one of them. Right. I mean, they built a really good relationship with them.
I know that we've done a lot of. Not necessarily joint ventures, but they're. They're projects where we just. Oh, happen to be on with rpmx, right?
[00:20:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: And you built a good relationship with them as well, right?
[00:20:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:28] Speaker B: You know, you've been able to pick up the phone, like, hey, can you, you know, give me some base?
[00:20:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: You know, and it's those. Those type of relationships that we strive to. To always connect with. Right.
You know, what. What are some of the big, you know, first projects that you did with Pogue?
[00:20:48] Speaker A: Man, I think the first project we did with them was like. I think it was like, ES14. Prosper.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: They've been prospering, man. I don't know what they.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: They're. They're killing Prosper. Yeah, those. Them dudes.
Dudes got that on lock.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: But no, man, I mean.
I mean, a relationship like Pogue is not a relationship that many people like, kid. And it's been real awesome because, you know, we haven't. We haven't done. We haven't always done good on some of their jobs. Some of our first jobs were big struggles, and, you know, we just fought through them and we kept fighting. We kept fighting, and we stuck to our word and we just. We showed up every day and we. We tried to perform as best as we could, and they just saw it, and they saw that we were dedicated and we wanted to do good. And, you know, we had a couple of mistakes, and we stuck to them. We fixed them and owned it, and. And we just kept building that relationship with them. And, man, I don't even know how many jobs we've done with them.
We have done.
I should know how many we've done, but we've done so many with them.
It's been awesome because if you really think about it, since we started working with them, they have grown at a rapid pace, like we have, and I guess they have.
We've done it together, and we've helped them complete a ton of projects, and, man, I'm super grateful for it.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: I finally see him in Fort Worth.
They're actually.
They're building the school, a middle school, and Eagle Mountain isd, and that's one of the oldest, I think it's the first middle school for that district. So they're going to demo that the original school and Pogue is building that school. So it was pretty interesting to see that because it's like minutes from my house.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: I was like, man, I thought they just everywhere. Yeah, I was like, I thought they just stuck to prosper, you know, it's. They're everywhere. They're growing a lot.
Do you remember when, when like what was our first pro. Like, when was our first project with him? Because like we've grown. They've grown.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: But I think it was like 2020.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Our first project with them.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I think Cody did it. I think Cody was on it. I remember.
[00:23:07] Speaker B: Right. Yeah.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: And Jeff, Jeff was the superintendent from Pogue. Old man Jeff.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: Old man Jeff.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: We're always behind, always behind.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: They're just pushing us to.
It's kind of like Mr. Bob Gaston.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Get a call from Bob Gaston.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Get a Bob.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:26] Speaker A: Bobby.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: Yeah. What about rpmx? You know, even though we do a little bit different work, you know what's been your relationship with them?
[00:23:34] Speaker A: Man?
I mean it's been great. I mean this, this industry is hard, right? This industry will chew you up, spit you out.
Has done it to a ton of people.
And so whatever we can do to make it less complicated and help figure out solutions together and man, those guys, those guys have been great. I mean we help, you know, we help them on stuff, they help us on stuff and you know, we just, we just can figure stuff out with each other to kind of make our jobs easier, you know.
[00:24:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: And you know, that was kind of a, a fluke deal. I met one of their superintendents when. And now he's a higher up guy a long time ago on a job off of. It was off 114. And he always makes fun of me like, oh, I thought it was too good for him and I, I met him and me and him kind of became buddies. We call each other, you know, if he needed something, he called me. If I needed something, I call, I call him and. And now he's kind of, he's. He's not running the whole show, but he runs a big portion of that company now and man, we just help each other out and try to get the job done faster. Right. You know, we'll coordinate together and stuff like that.
And it's been good.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Majority of the time we're right there behind them. Right.
[00:24:53] Speaker A: We're, we're critical path on.
Well, every job we do, we're critical path. Then he fire lanes down so they can go vertical.
[00:24:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: So we. If we can work together to get that done faster for the GC and then keep the GC off our ass and make them happy, then why not, right? Why are we going. Why are we going to fight about it? You know, it help. And honestly, we get it done faster, everybody's happier, and we move on to the next one.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: It's a win. Win.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: It's a win win.
[00:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:18] Speaker A: What's core value? Core value? Run. What number?
[00:25:21] Speaker B: Core value number what? Three.
I'm guessing.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: I can't remember.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Core value number three.
So it's been quite a. Quite a path, right, that you've had, you know, growing up, having some struggles, you know, pushing through, finding work, being dedicated, you know, ups and downs. There's been a lot that you've gone through to be where you're at today.
And, you know, what's. What's your. Your relationship with Garrett now? You know, I think, you know, he listens to you. He knows that you have good ideas.
You know, now that you're the coo, you know, what are some changes that you've made that you. You feel like, you know, are bettering the company off?
[00:26:03] Speaker A: I would say it's probably the. It's at a good spot. You know, we've had, man, we've had some knockout battles, right? It's like.
And, you know, we've had to work through them, and me and him both are. I would definitely say we're stubborn, right? And we're, you know, we're like, hey, you know, we're both. We're both going at it, right? Like, and.
And we just had to, you know, at the beginning, we've struggled at communicating our frustrations with each other, right? And we thought the other one knew what that the other one was thinking. And we finally just had to come to a point to where it's like, hey, man, we gotta tell each other what's going on, because I can't hold. If I hold all the stuff in, I'm gonna pop one day, right? And when I pop, it's not good. And when you pop, it's not good. So we learned that we just kind of have to let it. Let. Let each other know, like, hey, this is how I'm feeling right now. And let it. Let it. Let it explain. Like, okay, well, this is not what I'm thinking. I think you're feeling away, but I'm not even thinking that. So we're good, dude. You know, and so that's just us maturing and growing as leaders and just being transparent, right? Just being transparent.
[00:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I can see that. Being transparent. I've always tried to be as transparent as possible. You know, I think it's like even the guys out in the field, like, just being transparent with them, like, what are our intentions are what. What's m about, you know, being transparent, you know, it's. This is what we're doing, you know. You know, we want you to go home safe. We want you to, you know, go home at the end of the day with, you know, a check on Fridays and, you know, that's transparency for us, you know. Well, I appreciate you coming on today. You know, you've had quite a story here, big face here. You know, a lot of people know you, respect you and mean a lot to Moss. Right. So appreciate you coming on today.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
